Hi, welcome to Firefighting Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the File:10393671 10203468017161249 4237528628884335745 n.jpg page.
Hi. This is a little embarrassing, but I've never actually added photos to the wiki. All of the photos there are from other people. So I don't really know. Maybe check the syntax for the CDNF page that you added photos to and do the same? Sorry I can't be of more help. Uzbek (talk) 20:13, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
- Salut, j'ai ajouté tes photos de Rivière-du-Loup sur la page du SSI. :) AlexG86 (talk) 15:36, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
Lorsque tu cliques sur le bouton modifier sur la page du SSI, tu vas arriver sur l'éditeur de page. À droite, tu vas avoir différentes fonctionnalités, dont une est Galerie. Cliques dessus et ajoutes tes photos à partir de là. Essaie de garder la même façon de faire que sur les autres pages (inscrire le no. d'unité et le modèle du véhicule : Unité XX - Année Marque/modèle) AlexG86 (talk) 17:49, December 28, 2014 (UTC)
- Lorsque tu vas dans modifier, cliques sur l'onglet Source. Repères la section correspondant à la galerie < gallery > ... </ gallery > et insères-y la ou les photos que tu veux mettre. Fies-tu à comment sont écrits et disposés les autres photos (faut seulement mettre image.jpg sans les [ ] .-AlexG86 (talk) 12:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Noticed on some of your recent edits you've been adding unit types in your edits (pumper, tanker, quint, etc.). If the designation has the type of truck, you don't need to add the type. So if it's Engine 123, we already know it's a pumper and there's no need to add "pumper" as it's redundant. If it's Unit or Unité 223, we can't tell, so then add pumper, aerial, tanker, whatever. And under retired trucks, it should always be added.
So almost all QC departments will include the type but many American departments run their trucks as Engines, Ladders, etc. and don't need it. Hope that makes sense. Uzbek (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Still happening with the last batch of edits (see Athabasca FD for an example of how it was switched back), so please save yourself the work of adding those and me the work of changing it back. Uzbek (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Bolding station names
Hi. Please don't bold fire station names (e.g. Fire Station 1) for the time being. The new platform bolds them in the table of contents and I'm waiting to see if they fix it. Also, please don't add (?/?) to every pumper when we don't know the pump or tank size. Just saying pumper or tanker or whatever is fine. Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Just to add to this, further to the note above, please don't add the apparatus type even if a truck runs as an engine and is a tanker or rescue pumper. Engine is sufficient. The only exceptions are adding "walk-in" or "walk-around" to rescues and "platforms" for aerial trucks that run as ladders. Uzbek (talk) 16:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- Still happening a lot. Other than adding walk-in or around rescue to rescues, please do not add:
- Pumper/tanker to Tankers and Engines
- Rescue pumper to Engines
- Brush truck to Engine
- Ambulance to Medic etc. etc.
- If it says "Engine 3," that implies the type of truck. There's no need to add the unit type. Also, don't add (?/?) to everything. It isn't necessary.
- Not that any of this is resonating, but more things to add to the list. If there's a separate year for the body (e.g. 2005 Spartan / 2006 Spencer), leave it. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that the chassis and body are different years even if it's only a year apart. Also, don't add "assignment unknown" if there's only one station. That's for multi-station departments. Finally, it's rescue pumper, not rescue/pumper. But again, as noted twice above, don't add that if the truck is designated as an Engine. Uzbek (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- You've been asked this already. . . Other than adding walk-in or walk-around rescue to rescues, please do not add:
- Pumper/tanker to Tankers and Engines
- Rescue pumper to Engines
- Brush truck to Engine
- Ambulance to Medic etc. etc.
Thanks for responding. I do want to thank for your many edits and hard work on the wiki. Your English is great.
I appreciate your comments about precision. However, we want to avoid redundancy. It's a long standing practice to not add the type of truck when it's in the unit name. The unit name may not exactly describe the truck, but it is the name that the department chose and the department best knows what they use the truck for.
- Rescue pumpers are basically pumpers with extra equipment, usually auto ex. Often there isn't much of a difference between the two.
- The chassis and pump/tank capacities of a mini-pumper show that it's a mini-pumper.
- Like mini-pumpers, the chassis and pump size of brush trucks indicate what they are even if they're called Engines.
- Some tankers have pumps, some pumpers have larger tanks. Again, the pump/tank capacities show this. Also, a truck with a 500 GPM pump doesn't really qualify as a pumper tanker - it would be 625 IGPM / 750 USGPM and up.
- Platforms are usually noted after the pump / tank / aerial device, like this - Ladder 1 - 2006 E-One Cyclone (1500/500/100' rear-mount platform). When there's no unit number, it would read 2006 E-One Cyclone platform (1500/500/100' rear-mount). I'm also thinking 2006 E-One Cyclone rear-mount platform (1500/500/100') would be good too.
Rescues - more people make notes about rescues, so this is a bit more complicated. I've always used the chassis to decide if a rescue is a heavy or light rescue. But heavy / light can also refer to the equipment on board, and the chassis can be interpreted differently. So I've started thinking more about walk-in or walk-around. I realize ending with walk-in, as in Rescue 1 - 2010 Freightliner M2 106 / Pierce walk-in sounds weird, but adding rescue seems redundant. I would call a Freightliner a heavy rescue, but maybe it doesn't have heavy rescue equipment. If we just go with walk-in / walk-around, we're not making that interpretation.
I'm trying to balance between including enough information and writing a paragraph / essay on each truck. More info is being added now about other things - kind of pump, tank, info about the truck after it's sold and other notes - so we don't want the entries to get too long and we need some degree of consistency across the wiki.
Also - sometimes we're back and forth on refurbs. If a refurb has created a major change in a truck - adding a pump where there was no pump, changing the size of a tank, making major changes to the body, remounting on a new chassis, etc., the refurb would be noted in the main truck description - 1999 E-One / 2015 Alexis refurb pumper. The different Québec aerial trucks that have older aerials remounted on newer bodies is a good example. Other refurbs are done with most fire trucks - paint jobs, new lighting systems, rebuilding existing pumps - those can be noted in brackets at the end - 1999 E-One pumper (2015 Alexis refurb). Think of it this way - of those two trucks I listed above, I wouldn't call the second truck an Alexis truck. They just did some work on it. Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 15:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for all your edits, everyone contributing makes Fire Wiki better. As for the amount of precision, I don't necessarily agree with Uzbek in every case, but he is the group founder, chief admin and has put in thousands of hours to the wiki. He's the boss. There have been many cases where precision ends up just being a repetition of already expressed facts. For example: Ford F-550 Superduty 4x4; All Ford F-250/350/450/550 are Superduty, and the F-550 only comes as a 4x4 so why clutter the page. There are many vehicles that are like this, it just takes some time to get it. So what one person thinks of as precision just ends up being a repetition. Keep working at the wiki, but keep an eye on your past edits, UZBEK or one of the other admins sometimes make changes and looking back at what you have done makes it easier going forward. When I built fire trucks we built four kinds, pumpers, rescues, tankers, aerials. That's it, just about everything falls in there. Oftentimes the descriptor a department uses is the best description of the vehicle. Sometimes it's not, like if a department calls a truck a rescue but it has a 1500 pump and 500 tank listed with it, or departments where everything is paramedic engine. As for the truck, ladder, platform, aerial question. What I do is include platform when needed as this is different than a straight-up ladder. Example: Truck 1 - 2020 Pierce Arrow XT PUC (1500/500/100' rear-mount) This would be taken as the 'default' of being a ladder. If it was changed to . . .rear-mount platform then it is what is written. Quite often I add aerial before the (specs) or if specs are not known. It's mostly due to the different things that all the departments across CAN US call things. A tower changes what it is across the country just like a squad does. Don't even get into the tanker versus tender argument with anyone, its a no win thing for all. (But as a retired RCN sailor, a tender is for submarines, a tanker carries bulk liquids.) I have come to only call a piece of apparatus "tanker" if it has dump valves. As for the heavy/medium/light rescue, as Uzbek said, some base it on the chassis and some base it on the equipment carried and the job it does. I no longer list the "size" but stick to length (if available) and either combination/walk-in/walk-around, and add exceptional things like a crane or if it has a self-contained CAFS or Dry Chem system. Now all this is fine, but they are just guidelines, not set in stone. Some apparatus need a little more info to help people "see" what it is and what it looks like, as you said, because there aren't a lot of pictures. If I wrote: 2020 Pierce Velocity 8424 PUC 6x4 command cab. I know that means a Velocity, 84 inch center of front axle to back of cab, with a 24 in raised roof, PUC pump (small low connections, panel enclosed) and 2 door cab with 3rd door on curb side. It can all be confusing but in the end it will all make sense. Regards Gus2001 (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi. Appreciate the changes you've made. One request - when adding Ex-departments, please add a link even if there is no article on the department. For example, in the edit you did for Jenkins, KY, you included a truck that was ex-Newton Ransom PA. I replaced it with a link to Newton Ransom Volunteer Fire Company. Right now there is no article, but these red links show us which pages we need to create. So just quickly look up the proper name of the department on Google and add the [[ ]] to link it. It will then show up on the list of missing articles. Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Apparatus listing order
I noticed recently that you have been re-arranging apparatus listing by the type of apparatus, alphabetically. Typically that is not very well practiced on the wiki and is unnecessary to do if apparatus are not arranged by numerical designation. That being said, this is the listing order Uzbek uses: pumper/aerial/tanker/brush etc, then rescue, medic, ambulance, then specialty, ie. boats, then command and utility. Also, if an apparatus is designated as 'Rescue', there's no need to specify the type as heavy rescue, medium rescue, etc. The name implies what it is. Thanks.
- Just to add, some of these are things that we've discussed before. Also, if you see * bullet points, there's no need to replace them. They're used in listings to keep trucks distinct when there is a lot of text. Finally, we're trying to stop using "heavy rescue," "medium rescue," etc as those actually refer to the gear carried and not the chassis. Rescue or walk-in / walk-around rescue is fine. Uzbek (talk) 16:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)