Vancouver[edit source]

Hi. Thanks for checking those Vancouver edits. I'm working from a comprehensive BC list provided by a retired Vancouver FF and apparatus photographer. He knows his stuff, although sometimes the wiki has info he doesn't. He does list B9141 as E19, so I thought that could be a designation for a spare. As for the ladders...you're right, I should have counted. However, I had a serial number to add for B9122 and it wasn't listed. I think the problem is that there's a B9120 and a C9120 listed. According to his list, there's only B9120 as a spare. The wiki shows C9120 as L2, but the linked photo has it as C9198, which matches the list.

So...I've moved C9198 to Ladder 2, which should bring us back to ten. He has C9151 as Ladder 10 instead of Ladder 18 but I can dig more into that later. Thanks for checking up on that - I should have gone through it more closely. Uzbek (talk) 12:38, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I actually have a little bit of info for C9151. From what I have heard, C9151 was supposed to be assigned to Ladder 10 and Tower 10 was to be reassigned to Tower 18. However due to tight streets in 18's area they assigned the Ladder to 18 instead and 10 kept the Tower. Please do keep checking on that BC list and adding whatever you find, it probably has more information on Vancouver than I do. Thanks again. CXFireRescue (talk) 14:52, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
I checked with him and another guy who's on the department. You are absolutely correct about Tower 10 / Ladder 18. I changed some of the other stuff back. Thanks again for checking. Uzbek (talk) 03:07, October 6, 2018 (UTC)

Spartan / Dependable[edit source]

Hi. Thanks for the Spartan ERV edits - they're at the point where they're just like any other custom builder when using a Spartan chassis, so we might as well record them in the same way (e.g. it doesn't say Pierce Impel / Pierce). In instances like Mississauga and Toronto, you can delete the Dependable reference as well, as they were the dealer in those cases and not the builder. I'm not sure where all of the DEV notes came from, but I believe they did add their tags for the trucks when they were a dealer so it can be hard to tell by looking at one. Uzbek (talk) 13:43, May 5, 2019 (UTC)

Niagara Falls[edit source]

Hi. Regarding the images - since they come from the city's website, they might be better as links than uploads. Or at the very least, there should be credit someplace since they're owned by someone else. I'm not sure if pics here are assumed to be free of copyright like on Wikipedia, but the Fandom page says "Remember: all images uploaded to Fandom should be used under fair use — or be images that are freely available, with or without conditions or restrictions. You must adhere to any licensing requirements, such as attributing the author and source on the file description page." Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 13:56, December 19, 2019 (UTC)

Spam page[edit source]

Thanks, but I'm not seeing anything in the recent changes. Can you give me a name or link? Uzbek (talk) 01:04, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Missed that from a few days ago. Easy to do with lots of edits so thanks for catching it. Because this has happened more than once, I deleted all content and locked the page. They won't be able to edit it. Thanks again. Uzbek (talk) 01:53, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

Another thanks...[edit source]

For your work on arranging the photos, especially for Lethbridge. I've never figured out how to work with pictures, so it's a big help. And I'd always cringed whenever I opened the Lethbridge page. It's much better now. Uzbek (talk) 15:18, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Apparent "Standards"[edit source]

Continually editing my data entries and saying blah blah blah 'standards' is all fine, but where are these standards written? If they are 'standards' then they need to be accessible for all to follow, not just used on a whim.

When I list a truck as a 'notched' 7010 and a 6x4 axle configuration it is for information. It is there for the person who doesn't know that a 6x4 is 'standard' for a 100' platform. It is there for the person who doesn't know that an aerial device most often requires a different cab configuration. I include the notched as it is a change to the model of cab and if it is listed on the prints put out by the manufacturer then it is probably worth knowing; much akin to foam load and a CAFS appliance. Is their some 'standard' made up for what info should be listed? Pick and choose is obviously the one. 

I used to build fire trucks, I actually know quite a bit about them.

Gus2001 (talk) 06:31, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

Using the, "this can be found via their website" reasoning is somewhat backwards. A very high percentage of the info, for example from Pierce in this case, "can be found via their website", does that mean none of it should be transcribed here? My intent is to document and illustrate an apparatus so it will be identifiable to the ordinary person and the low-level buff who would gain the most from the info in the wiki. If someone wanted to get this info from numerous websites and pages, there would be no need for this wiki at all.
I find that including as much info as possible is the best way to go. You or I may know that the given spec is "standard" or only available with widget appliance A, but someone else may not. This extra bit may make the difference in someone identifying the apparatus or not, especially after it went speeding past them at a red light and they couldn't pick up on a great number of indentifying features. That's what it's all  about, identifying features, serial numbers are nice, but major identifying features mean more.
Sorry didn't sign the above
Gus2001 (talk) 18:20, April 9, 2020 (UTC)

Photos[edit source]

Good point, thanks for catching that. I don't have strong opinions on the subject, but it does seem redundant to have both so the links can go. My main concern with photos has always been disputes over which photo gets used (or linked, which happened last summer), but in this case let's go with the uploads only. Uzbek (talk) 22:30, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

So what I was trying to say is that I'd take GD's uploaded pics over the links. Uzbek (talk) 03:25, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
Just keep in mind that it's a very high bar. These are quality angled, posed shots vs street shots of opportunity. Also, the photo is right there for the user to see and sometimes links get broken. Unless substantive changes have been made to the truck or graphics, the posed photo is going to be superior 98% of the time. Uzbek (talk) 14:19, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
I'm concerned about uploading downloads from Flickr pages. The photos are considered copyrighted material and I'm not sure that we have the permission of the owners to do so. If traffic is going to their Flickr page that's one thing (especially if the owner linked it), but they may not appreciate uploads. There are no legal issues with links, although there was an incident last year where someone complained about even the links. More info here.
The photos uploaded by GD were taken by him, so he's made the decision to upload them and make them available, so that's part of the reasoning in that case. I'm sorry for any uploads vs links confusion, but I didn't expect this. I've never included photos but the community seems to enjoy them. However, they bring a lot of issues and potential issues generally. Uzbek (talk) 00:29, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Dashes[edit source]

Hi. Quick note, the dash is supposed to go after the shop number. So Pumper 311 (1234) - 2010 Pierce etc. Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 01:30, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

I see your point. My thought is that although it is more associated with the truck as it follows the truck around, it is a designation of a different sort. Also, when the truck is retired, the bracketed number just sort of floats there when there isn't a dash. Uzbek (talk) 02:40, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

Richmond[edit source]

Hi. I flipped the edits back as it's a local guy and the pump & tank capacities come from the ULC plate, which is sometimes different from the specs since they actually measure the finished product when doing the tests (which is why they aren't as even as usual). And E-One NY briefly was the name of the Saulsbury plant - Superior was called E-One Canada for a short while. I just Saulsbury as shorthand, but E-One NY isn't wrong. I'll create a redirect. Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 21:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Ottawa[edit source]

Hi. There are a few pages where this happens, but Ottawa is probably the most active. It isn't really my thing, but it is a step toward up-to-the-minute roster info, which is important to people interested in specific departments (scanner, etc.). If there are people able access that information and keep it updated, especially for a larger department like OFS, it's fine. Oh, and can I ask where you got the info about North Glengarry having the Pierce platform? One of the area editors flipped it back into service and it's good to have a source in those circumstances. Uzbek (talk) 19:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Measurements & rounding[edit source]

Hi. Yeah, my personal practice is to round. But I've been thinking about it a bit. For Canadian departments, we've been using the ULC plate as the gold standard - like if a pump is rated at 1050 IGPM, we use that even if the model suggests that it can do 1750. And for decades, the plates always expressed everything in 625, 840, 1050 GPM (or 3000, 4000, 5000 LPM). Lately, they've been going with what I guess are actual, or at least more precise results, so if known, we might as well use them. Tank sizes are similar - UL plates have only included a tank size for the last 10 years or so where before it was based on the specs or a firefighter's guess. Thanks for asking. Uzbek (talk) 00:40, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

1200[edit source]

Hi. I undid the name change. 1200 is actually the parent company in Quebec, formerly Techno Feu. They bought Darch, but the name of the company remains 1200. I've created a redirect to link Darch Fire with 1200 instead (correction - changed the redirect). This is based on the 1200 website but if I'm missing something, please let me know. Thx, Uzbek (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleting photos[edit source]

Sure, no problem. Just click on the photo in question, then on the photo name in the top left (e.g. Mississauga Pumper 118.jpg). At the bottom of the page, it will show you where the photo is displayed, so be sure to delete the link there. Then just select delete from the edit button on the top right and it's gone.

There's a complete list of your uploads here. While you're at it, could you also delete the uploads from the Hooks & Halligans FB page? Thanks. Uzbek (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, just to confirm, is it an option under the orange edit button on this page? Uzbek (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Must be a user rights thing, yeah. I'll try to take care of it. All of them or were there any you want left? And feel free to remind me if it slips my mind. Uzbek (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
OK, I think I got them all. Left the department patches / company logos. I figure they could as fair use. Uzbek (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Links[edit source]

Hi. Not aware of any changes. Are you using Source Editor or Visual Editor? Things should be pretty much the same with the Source Editor - there it gives the option between pasting text as plain text or in wiki format. Uzbek (talk) 21:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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